Debate for Hitler’s Chief Spy

Linda Cargill
Hitler’s Chief Spy is available either as a Kindle ebook or as a paperback on our website https://edwardwarethrillers.org 🙂

Kenny
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Kenny
Trump and Macron on the Champs-Élysées.

Linda Cargill
Hitler appears in Hitler’s Chief Spy celebrating the Anglo-German Naval Treaty as one of his big accomplishments. He also appears in the Rhineland boasting about what he has done. Sounds like Trump, doesn’t it, but with more historical implications of course.

Kenny
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Kenny
Hitler in Paris, 1940.

Gary Cargill
Hitler gambled on a quick military victory to cement Germany’s dominant position in Europe and lost World War II. Trump is making sound investments in peace through strength and economic growth, which will pay off by making America’s dominant position in the world more secure and by also making the world a safer and more prosperous place to live in.

Gary Cargill
Trump. He is systematically dismantling the dangerously naive, appeasement policies of Obama, preventing nuclear proliferation, and strengthening both our allies and our ties with our allies. He is also greatly strenghtening our economy. All of these measures are designed to avoid a new world war by extending the Pax Americana for many decades.

Kenny
Hitler, of course. He obtained the rearmament of Germany, occupation of the Rhineland, annexation of Austria, and dismemberment of Czechoslovakia and the swallowing of the Sudetenland, without firing a shot. He nearly won the Second World War, and would have easily done so, if Churchill had not become Prime Minister.

Linda Cargill
Hitler is one of the key figures of Hitler’s Chief Spy. He is the big bad guy. That is why we are talking so much about him today.

Kenny
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Kenny
A photo of Churchill from the late 1930s.

Kenny
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Kenny
Putin in the Kremlin.

Linda Cargill
All very interesting. We will move on to the fourth and last question. 4) Who was the more clever politician, Hitler or Trump?

Gary Cargill
The Iran Nuclear Deal of 2015. It allowed Iran to eventually get nuclear weapons, continue to test missiles (including ICBMS), and continue to foment trouble throughout the Middle East. It would have triggered a nuclear arms race in the Middle East by causing Saudi Arabi and Egypt to obtain nuclear weapons to counter Iran. It would have alienated the US from both Israel and its Arab allies in the Middle East. And it would left the door open to meddling by the Russians in Syria in conjunction and cooperation with the Iranians.

Kenny
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Kenny
The Anglo-German Naval Treaty of 1935. It put a stake through the provisions of the Versailles Treaty limiting the size of the German armed forces. It allowed Germany to develop a large navy and submarines. It drove a wedge between the Allies, by making France distrustful of Britain (and vice versa).

Linda Cargill
Now we will move onto the third question of the debate. What was the worse deal, the Anglo-German Naval Treaty or the Iran Nuclear Deal?

Gary Cargill
Fat chance. Sanctions can be reimposed on Iran, whose economy is already a mess. Iran’s citizens are upset with the mullahs for not using the money gained from the Iran deal to help the Iranian economy. There are increasing numbers of demonstrations. Iran’s power in the Middle East is at its peak. Without the Nuclear Deal, which assured Iran of getting nuclear weapons in the near future, Iran’s power and influence will decline.

Gary Cargill
But even if Trump had enforced the Iran Nuclear Deal to the letter, Iran would have been able to (and would have continued to) develop missles for delivery of conventional, chemical and nuclear warheads, foment war against Israel from Iran’s new bases in Syria and by Iran’s allies in Lebanon (Hezbollah) and Gaza (Hamas), and foment war against Saudi Arabia using its allies in Yemen (the Houthi rebels). The Iran Deal was always a bad deal, and Trump was right in scrapping it.

Kenny
But without the Iran Deal, Iran can quickly develop nuclear weapons without restraint.

Gary Cargill
But even if Trump had enforced the Iran Nuclear Deal to the letter, Iran would have been able to (and would have continued to) develop missles for delivery of conventional, chemical and nuclear warheads, foment war against Israel from Iran’s new bases in Syria and by Iran’s allies in Lebanon (Hezbollah) and Gaza (Hamas), and foment war against Saudi Arabia using its allies in Yemen (the Houthi rebels). The Iran Deal was always a bad deal, and Trump was right in scrapping it.

Kenny
Hitler giving radio address about the Rhineland.

Kenny
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Linda Cargill
Do you want to finish what you have to say, Gary Cargill?

Kenny
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Kenny
German forces enter Aachen, on the border with Belgium, following the remilitarization of the Rhineland

Gary Cargill
As for the risk of war, if the Allies (France and Britain) had enforced the provisions of the Versailles and Locarno Treaties, Hitler would not have had a big army, no planes, no tanks, and no large navy or submarines. He would also have been kept out of the Rhineland, and thus out of striking distance of the Low Countries and Northern France. The risk of a second world war would have been avoided.

Kenny
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Kenny
Former Secretary of State John Kerry with Hassan Rouhani

Linda Cargill
Do you have anything further to say, Gary Cargill?

Linda Cargill
Do you have anything further to say, Gary Cargill

Gary Cargill
Enough already with the fake news. The so-called Iran Nuclear Deal was never even signed by Iran, was never submitted to the Senate for a confirmation vote, and has no binding force whatsoever. Trump was perfectly within the law to withdraw from the Nuclear Deal by his announcement made on May 8, 2018.

Linda Cargill
Gary Cargill, what is your response?

Kenny
Now for my response to question 2. But the worst is the Iran Nuclear Deal. Trump clearly ripped that up and he’s risking war doing so, just like Hitler in the 1930’s. Only it’ll be worse, because he’s risking a nuclear war, since without the Iran deal, Iran can rapidly develop nuclear weapons.

Gary Cargill
And the so-called trade agreements with China don’t now exist. The US and China are negotating about entering into a trade agreement right now.

Gary Cargill
As for the TPP, it was signed on February 4, 2016, but again the TPP, like the Paris climate accord, was never submitted to the Senate for confirmation and is therefore not a binding treaty. On January 23, 2017, Trump signed a presidential memorandum to withdraw the US from the TPP, essentially withdrawing the signature of the United States from the treaty, a perfectly legal move given that the Senate never ratified the treaty.Trump in April 2018 further indicated that he was open to reconsidering having the United States rejoin the TPP if the agreement were renegotiated to present a better deal for the United States.

Gary Cargill
Come on, get your facts straight. Trump has not torn up NAFTA, or announced that the United States will withdraw from the agreement. The U.S. Trade representative in 2017 has simply initiated negotiations with Canada and Mexico to make changes to the agreement, which is allowed under the terms of the NAFTA treaty. Those negotiations have continued until the present.

Kenny
But what about NAFTA and the TPP. Trump always hated these trade agreements and wants to get rid of them. He also has ripped up trade agreements with China by imposing trade sanctions on steel, aluminum and other imported goods.

Linda Cargill
I would have ripped it up, Gary. But we will proceed to the 2nd question. Did Trump act like a 1930s dictator when he tore up the Iran Nuclear Deal?

Gary Cargill
So Trump never tore up the Paris Accord or treated it as a nullity. Rather, he has indicated that the United States will withdraw in an orderly fashion, as is allowed under the terms of the treaty itself.

Linda Cargill
What are your final thoughts on this matter, Gary Cargill?

Gary Cargill
Trump nevertheless voluntarily chose to treat the Paris climate accord as a binding treaty. On August 4, 2017, the Trump Administration delivered an official notice to the United Nations that the U.S. intends to withdraw from the Paris Agreement as soon as it is legally eligible to do so. The formal notice of withdrawal cannot be submitted until the agreement is in force for 3 years for the US, in 2019. In accordance with Article 28, as the agreement entered into force in the United States on November 4, 2016, the earliest possible effective withdrawal date for the United States is November 4, 2019, and even then, the withdrawal wouldn’t taken effect until November 4, 2020.

Kenny
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Linda Cargill
Interesting. Do you have more to say about this subject?

Gary Cargill
You grossly exagerate. For example, take the Paris Agreement, also known as the Paris climate accord or Paris climate agreement. It was signed April 22, 2016, during the Obama Administration, and became effective November 4, 2016. Although the United States signed the agreement, it was never submitted to the Senate for a confirmation vote, and, thus, does not constitute a treaty under U.S. law. Instead, President Barack Obama chose to “adopt” it with an executive order issued in September 2016, just before the 2016 presidential election.

Kenny
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Kenny
Trump is just as bad as a 1930’s fascist dictator like Hitler. Like Hiter, he has ripped up numerous treaties, like the Paris Climate Accord, the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP), the Iran Deal, and NAFTA. Other countries can’t trust America to keep its word anymore.

Linda Cargill
Kenny will go first.

Linda Cargill
We are here today to hold a debate about the publication of the new Dora Benley novel Hitler’s Chief Spy. Gary and Kenny will carry on the debate. This is the first question: ow many treaties did Hitler tear up? How many did Trump tear up?